Day 12: Who Gets First Author

Dialogue

♪ Audio recordings are on the way. For now, each lesson is the dialogue with its English translation.

Keys: E hide English · ← → previous / next day

1. 1

   C 둘 다 앉아요. 표정들을 보니 단단히 벼르고 왔구먼요. 두 사람 다 제1저자를 하겠다는 거죠?

   Dul da anjayo. Pyojeongdeureul boni dandanhi byeoreugo watgumeonyo. Du saram da je1jeojareul hagetdaneun geojyo?

   Both of you, sit down. From your faces, you've both come ready for a fight. You each want to be first author, is that it?

   Line 1
2. 2

   A 네, 교수님. 실험 설계부터 데이터 수집까지 제가 거의 다 했습니다. 제1저자는 제가 맡는 게 맞다고 생각합니다.

   Ne, gyosunim. Silheom seolgyebuteo deiteo sujipkkaji jega geoui da haetseumnida. Je1jeojaneun jega manneun ge matdago saenggakamnida.

   Yes, Professor. I did almost everything from the experimental design to the data collection. I think it's right that I be first author.

   Line 2
3. 3

   B 교수님, 저도 할 말이 있어요. 데이터가 있어도 그걸 분석하고 논문으로 쓴 건 저예요. 초고의 구십 퍼센트는 제가 썼어요.

   Gyosunim, jeodo hal mari isseoyo. Deiteoga isseodo geugeol bunseokago nonmuneuro sseun geon jeoyeyo. Chogoui gusip peosenteuneun jega sseosseoyo.

   Professor, I have something to say too. The data's there, but I'm the one who analysed it and turned it into a paper. I wrote ninety percent of the first draft.

   Line 3
4. 4

   A 구십 퍼센트는 좀 심하다. 방법론 부분은 내가 썼잖아.

   Gusip peosenteuneun jom simhada. Bangbeomnon bubuneun naega sseotjana.

   Ninety percent is a stretch. I wrote the methods section.

   Line 4
5. 5

   B 방법론 두 쪽? 나머지 스무 쪽은 누가 썼는데?

   Bangbeomnon du jjok? Nameoji seumu jjogeun nuga sseonneunde?

   Two pages of methods? And who wrote the other twenty?

   Line 5
6. 6

   C 자, 자, 그만. 퍼센트로 싸우면 끝이 없어요. 각자 기여한 걸 구체적으로, 시간이랑 결과물로 말해 봐요. 성민 씨부터.

   Ja, ja, geuman. Peosenteuro ssaumyeon kkeuchi eopseoyo. Gakja giyeohan geol guchejeogeuro, siganirang gyeolgwamullo malhae bwayo. Seongmin ssibuteo.

   Okay, okay, that's enough. If you fight over percentages, it'll never end. Tell me concretely what you each contributed, in time spent and results. Seongmin first.

   Line 6
7. 7

   A 여섯 달 동안 주말마다 실험실에 나와서 시료 이백 개를 측정했습니다. 장비가 고장 나서 두 번이나 처음부터 다시 했고요.

   Yeoseot dal dongan jumalmada silheomsire nawaseo siryo ibaek gaereul cheukjeonghaetseumnida. Jangbiga gojang naseo du beonina cheoeumbuteo dasi haetgoyo.

   For six months I came into the lab every weekend and measured two hundred samples. The equipment broke down, so I had to start over from scratch twice.

   Line 7
8. 8

   C 그건 실험 기록에도 다 남아 있어요. 다은 씨는요?

   Geugeon silheom girogedo da nama isseoyo. Daeun ssineunyo?

   That's all in the lab records. And you, Daeun?

   Line 8
9. 9

   B 저는 그 데이터로 통계 모델을 세 번 새로 짰어요. 처음 결과가 가설이랑 안 맞아서, 원인을 찾느라고 석 달 동안 거의 매일 밤을 새웠어요.

   Jeoneun geu deiteoro tonggye modereul se beon saero jjasseoyo. Cheoeum gyeolgwaga gaseorirang an majaseo, wonineul channeurago seok dal dongan geoui maeil bameul saewosseoyo.

   I rebuilt the statistical model from that data three times. The first results didn't fit the hypothesis, and I stayed up nearly every night for three months working out why.

   Line 9
10. 10

    C 흠, 둘 다 고집이 보통이 아니구먼요. 그래도 들어 보니까 둘 다 부풀린 말은 없네요.

    Heum, dul da gojibi botongi anigumeonyo. Geuraedo deureo bonikka dul da bupullin mareun eomneyo.

    Hm, you're both as stubborn as they come. But from what I hear, neither of you is exaggerating.

    Line 10
11. 11

    A 교수님, 그러면 순서는 어떻게 정하시겠어요? 공동 제1저자도 가능한가요?

    Gyosunim, geureomyeon sunseoneun eotteoke jeonghasigesseoyo? Gongdong je1jeojado ganeunghangayo?

    Then how will you decide the order, Professor? Is joint first authorship possible?

    Line 11
12. 12

    C 가능은 하지만, 그러면 둘 다 반쯤 진 기분일 거예요. 연구를 하노라면 이런 일도 생기는 법이에요. 그런데 다은 씨, 아까 결과가 가설이랑 안 맞았다고 했죠?

    Ganeungeun hajiman, geureomyeon dul da banjjeum jin gibunil geoyeyo. Yeongureul hanoramyeon ireon ildo saenggineun beobieyo. Geureonde Daeun ssi, akka gyeolgwaga gaseorirang an majatdago haetjyo?

    It's possible, but you'd both feel like you'd half lost. These things happen when you do research. But Daeun, you said the results didn't fit the hypothesis?

    Line 12
13. 13

    B 네. 온도가 높을 때 오히려 반응이 느려지는 구간이 있었어요. 처음엔 오류인 줄 알았는데 세 번을 돌려도 똑같이 나왔어요.

    Ne. Ondoga nopeul ttae ohiryeo baneungi neuryeojineun gugani isseosseoyo. Cheoeumen oryuin jul aranneunde se beoneul dollyeodo ttokgachi nawasseoyo.

    Yes. There was a range where the reaction actually slowed down at higher temperatures. At first I thought it was an error, but it came out the same all three times.

    Line 13
14. 14

    C 그런데 그 얘기가 지금 논문에는 한 문단밖에 안 들어가 있죠? 내가 보기엔 그건 따로 논문 한 편감이에요.

    Geureonde geu yaegiga jigeum nonmuneneun han mundanbakke an deureoga itjyo? Naega bogien geugeon ttaro nonmun han pyeongamieyo.

    And that only gets one paragraph in the current paper, doesn't it? The way I see it, that's a paper in its own right.

    Line 14
15. 15

    A 그럼 논문을 두 편으로 나누자는 말씀이세요?

    Geureom nonmuneul du pyeoneuro nanujaneun malsseumiseyo?

    So you're saying we should split it into two papers?

    Line 15
16. 16

    C 그래요. 이번 논문은 성민 씨가 제1저자, 그 이상한 구간을 파고드는 다음 논문은 다은 씨가 제1저자. 대신 서로 공동 저자로 들어가고요.

    Geuraeyo. Ibeon nonmuneun Seongmin ssiga je1jeoja, geu isanghan guganeul pagodeuneun daeum nonmuneun daeun ssiga je1jeoja. Daesin seoro gongdong jeojaro deureogagoyo.

    Exactly. Seongmin is first author on this paper, and Daeun is first author on the next one, digging into that strange range. And you're each co-author on the other's.

    Line 16
17. 17

    B 그럼 저는 다음 논문을 처음부터 다시 써야 하는 거잖아요. 결국 이번 논문을 양보하는 셈인데요.

    Geureom jeoneun daeum nonmuneul cheoeumbuteo dasi sseoya haneun geojanayo. Gyeolguk ibeon nonmuneul yangbohaneun semindeyo.

    But then I have to write the next paper from scratch. It amounts to giving up this one.

    Line 17
18. 18

    C 양보나 타협이 아니라 투자예요. 그 구간이 제대로 설명되면 그쪽이 더 많이 인용될 수도 있어요. 오래 연구를 하노라면 틀린 가설에서 더 큰 게 나오기도 해요.

    Yangbona tahyeobi anira tujayeyo. Geu gugani jedaero seolmyeongdoemyeon geujjogi deo mani inyongdoel sudo isseoyo. Orae yeongureul hanoramyeon teullin gaseoreseo deo keun ge naogido haeyo.

    It's not giving up or a compromise, it's an investment. If that range can be properly explained, that paper might be cited more. Do research long enough and you'll find bigger things sometimes come out of wrong hypotheses.

    Line 18
19. 19

    A 다은아, 솔직히 그 구간 분석은 나라면 못 했을 거야. 다음 논문 실험은 내가 주말에 나와서 도울게.

    Daeuna, soljiki geu gugan bunseogeun naramyeon mot haesseul geoya. Daeum nonmun silheomeun naega jumare nawaseo doulge.

    Daeun, honestly, I couldn't have done that analysis. I'll come in at weekends and help with the experiments for the next paper.

    Line 19
20. 20

    B 좋아, 그렇게 하자. 교수님, 방금 그 말 들으셨죠? 증인이 돼 주세요.

    Joa, geureoke haja. Gyosunim, banggeum geu mal deureusyeotjyo? Jeungini dwae juseyo.

    Okay, let's do that. Professor, you heard what he just said, right? You're my witness.

    Line 20
21. 21

    C 들었어요. 그런데 두 사람, 아까 들어올 때 그 표정들은 다 어디 갔어요?

    Deureosseoyo. Geureonde du saram, akka deureool ttae geu pyojeongdeureun da eodi gasseoyo?

    I heard. But what happened to the faces you two walked in with?

    Line 21