Day 159: Can Cash Bonuses Raise Birth Rates?

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   C 오늘 주제는 현금성 출산 지원이에요. 출산율이 세계 최저인 가운데 지자체마다 출산 장려금을 앞다투어 늘리고 있죠. 효과가 있을까요?

   Oneul jujeneun hyeongeumseong chulsan jiwonieyo. Chulsanyuri segye choejeoin gaunde jijachemada chulsan jangnyeogeumeul apdatueo neulligo itjyo. Hyogwaga isseulkkayo?

   Today's topic is cash support for having children. With the birth rate the lowest in the world, local governments are racing to raise their birth bonuses. Do they work?

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   A 저는 있다고 봅니다. 아이를 안 낳는 가장 큰 이유가 결국 돈이잖아요. 인천처럼 열여덟 살까지 1억 원을 주면 마음이 바뀌는 사람도 있을 거예요.

   Jeoneun itdago bomnida. Aireul an nanneun gajang keun iyuga gyeolguk donijanayo. Incheoncheoreom yeoryeodeol salkkaji 1eok woneul jumyeon maeumi bakkwineun saramdo isseul geoyeyo.

   I think they do. The biggest reason people don't have kids is money, after all. If you give a hundred million won by the time a child turns eighteen, like Incheon does, some people will change their minds.

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   B 민재야, 그 1억은 십팔 년에 나눠서 나오잖아. 1년에 오백만 원 남짓이야. 그걸로 아이 키우는 비용이 해결돼?

   Minjaeya, geu 1eogeun sippal nyeone nanwoseo naojana. 1nyeone obaengman won namjisiya. Geugeollo ai kiuneun biyongi haegyeoldwae?

   Minjae, that hundred million is spread over eighteen years. That's a little over five million a year. Does that cover the cost of raising a child?

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   A 다 해결은 안 되지만 부담은 확실히 줄지. 실제로 장려금을 늘린 뒤에 출생아 수가 늘어난 지역도 있었어.

   Da haegyeoreun an doejiman budameun hwaksilhi julji. Siljero jangnyeogeumeul neullin dwie chulsaenga suga neureonan jiyeokdo isseosseo.

   It won't cover everything, but it definitely lightens the load. There really were areas where the number of births went up after they raised the bonus.

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   B 그중 일부는 장려금을 받으려고 잠깐 이사 왔다가 다시 떠난 경우였대. 전국 출산율은 그대로고.

   Geujung ilbuneun jangnyeogeumeul badeuryeogo jamkkan isa watdaga dasi tteonan gyeonguyeotdae. Jeonguk chulsanyureun geudaerogo.

   Some of those were people who moved in briefly for the bonus and then left again. The national birth rate didn't change.

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   C 좋은 지적이네요. 그럼 다른 나라 사례는 어때요?

   Joeun jijeogineyo. Geureom dareun nara saryeneun eottaeyo?

   Good point. What about examples from other countries?

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   A 헝가리는 아이를 낳으면 대출을 탕감해 주는 파격적인 정책으로 출산율이 한동안 꽤 올랐습니다.

   Heonggarineun aireul naeumyeon daechureul tanggamhae juneun pagyeokjeogin jeongchaegeuro chulsanyuri handongan kkwae ollatseumnida.

   Hungary's birth rate rose quite a bit for a while thanks to a bold policy of writing off loans when people had children.

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   B 그러다 최근에는 다시 떨어졌잖아. 원래 낳으려던 시기를 앞당긴 것뿐이라고 보는 학자들도 있어.

   Geureoda choegeuneneun dasi tteoreojyeotjana. Wollae naeuryeodeon sigireul apdanggin geotppunirago boneun hakjadeuldo isseo.

   And then it fell again recently. Some scholars think people just had children earlier than they'd planned.

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   A 그럼 넌 뭐가 답이라고 생각하는데?

   Geureom neon mwoga dabirago saenggakaneunde?

   So what do you think the answer is?

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    B 프랑스처럼 보육이랑 육아 휴직을 탄탄하게 갖추는 거. 아이를 키우면서도 일을 계속할 수 있게 하는 게 핵심이야.

    Peurangseucheoreom boyugirang yuga hyujigeul tantanhage gatchuneun geo. Aireul kiumyeonseodo ireul gyesokal su itge haneun ge haeksimiya.

    Building solid childcare and parental leave, like France. The key is making it possible to keep working while raising kids.

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    A 프랑스도 가족 수당 같은 현금 지원이 많아. 결국 돈이랑 제도 둘 다 필요한 거지.

    Peurangseudo gajok sudang gateun hyeongeum jiwoni mana. Gyeolguk donirang jedo dul da piryohan geoji.

    France gives a lot of cash support too, like family allowances. In the end you need both money and systems.

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    C 두 사람 다 논리가 분명하네요. 그럼 입장을 바꿔 봅시다. 민재 씨가 반대 측, 서연 씨가 찬성 측이에요.

    Du saram da nolliga bunmyeonghaneyo. Geureom ipjangeul bakkwo bopsida. Minjae ssiga bandae cheuk, Seoyeon ssiga chanseong cheugieyo.

    You both argue well. Now let's switch sides. Minjae, you argue against; Seoyeon, you argue for.

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    A 네? 갑자기요? 음... 현금 지원은 효과가 일시적입니다. 그래도 받으면 도움은 되는데...

    Ne? Gapjagiyo? Eum... hyeongeum jiwoneun hyogwaga ilsijeogimnida. Geuraedo badeumyeon doumeun doeneunde...

    What? All of a sudden? Um... Cash support only has a temporary effect. Well, it does help when you get it...

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    B 민재야, 반대하랬더니 또 찬성하고 있잖아.

    Minjaeya, bandaeharaetdeoni tto chanseonghago itjana.

    Minjae, you're supposed to be against it, and you're arguing for it again.

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    A 반대로 말한다는 게 자꾸 원래 주장을 하게 되네요. 다시 할게요.

    Bandaero malhandaneun ge jakku wollae jujangeul hage doeneyo. Dasi halgeyo.

    I meant to argue the opposite, but I keep ending up making my original argument. I'll try again.

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    C 괜찮아요. 상대 입장에서 주장하는 게 원래 제일 어려워요. 서연 씨부터 해 볼까요?

    Gwaenchanayo. Sangdae ipjangeseo jujanghaneun ge wollae jeil eoryeowoyo. Seoyeon ssibuteo hae bolkkayo?

    It's all right. Arguing from the other side is always the hardest part. Shall we start with Seoyeon?

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    B 네. 현금 지원은 부모들한테 가장 빠른 도움이 됩니다. 보육 시설은 짓는 데 몇 년이 걸리지만 돈은 당장 쓸 수 있으니까요.

    Ne. Hyeongeum jiwoneun bumodeulhante gajang ppareun doumi doemnida. Boyuk siseoreun jinneun de myeot nyeoni geollijiman doneun dangjang sseul su isseunikkayo.

    Okay. Cash support is the fastest help parents can get. Childcare centres take years to build, but money can be used right away.

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    A 오, 설득력 있는데? 방금 거의 넘어갈 뻔했어.

    O, seoldeungnyeok inneunde? Banggeum geoui neomeogal ppeonhaesseo.

    Oh, that's convincing. I almost got won over just now.

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    C 이번엔 민재 씨 차례예요. 끝까지 반대편에 서 봐요.

    Ibeonen Minjae ssi charyeyeyo. Kkeutkkaji bandaepyeone seo bwayo.

    Now it's your turn, Minjae. Stay on the opposing side all the way this time.

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    A 네. 세수가 줄어드는 가운데 예산은 한정돼 있습니다. 그 돈은 현금보다 집값과 근무 시간 같은 근본적인 문제에 써야 합니다.

    Ne. Sesuga jureodeuneun gaunde yesaneun hanjeongdwae itseumnida. Geu doneun hyeongeumboda jipgapgwa geunmu sigan gateun geunbonjeogin munjee sseoya hamnida.

    Okay. With tax revenue shrinking, the budget is limited. That money should go to root problems like house prices and working hours, not cash handouts.

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    C 훌륭해요. 반대편 논리를 직접 말해 보니까 어때요?

    Hullyunghaeyo. Bandaepyeon nollireul jikjeop malhae bonikka eottaeyo?

    Excellent. How was it, making the other side's case yourselves?

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    B 제 주장의 약점이 더 잘 보여요. 민재야, 기말 보고서는 두 입장을 합쳐서 쓰자.

    Je jujangui yakjeomi deo jal boyeoyo. Minjaeya, gimal bogoseoneun du ipjangeul hapchyeoseo sseuja.

    I can see the weak points in my own argument more clearly. Minjae, let's combine both positions for our final report.

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