Day 30: Mock Cross-Examination Before a Patent Hearing

Dialogue

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   A 자, 지금부터 난 팀장이 아니라 재판장이에요. 내일 나올 만한 질문은 다 할 테니까 실전처럼 답해요.

   Ja, jigeumbuteo nan timjangi anira jaepanjangieyo. Naeil naol manhan jilmuneun da hal tenikka siljeoncheoreom dapaeyo.

   Right, from now on I'm not your team leader, I'm the presiding judge. I'll ask every question that might come up tomorrow, so answer as if it's the real thing.

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   B 네. 재판장님, 원고 측 대리인 정우진 변호사입니다. 먼저 이 기술을 개발하게 된 배경부터 말씀드리겠습니다. 2016년에...

   Ne. Jaepanjangnim, wongo cheuk daeriin jeongujin byeonhosaimnida. Meonjeo i gisureul gaebalhage doen baegyeongbuteo malsseumdeurigetseumnida. 2016nyeone...

   Yes. Your Honour, Jeong Woojin, counsel for the plaintiff. First, I'll explain the background to how this technology was developed. In 2016...

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   A 잠깐. 개발 배경일랑 서면에 다 있으니까 빼요. 이 사건의 핵심만 한 문장으로 말해 봐요.

   Jamkkan. Gaebal baegyeongillang seomyeone da isseunikka ppaeyo. I sageonui haeksimman han munjangeuro malhae bwayo.

   Stop. Leave out the development history; it's all in the written brief. Give me just the heart of this case, in one sentence.

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   B 피고의 유모차는 저희 특허의 핵심인 '한 손 접이 구조'를 그대로 쓰고 있습니다. 이 구조는 먼저 손잡이 아래에...

   Pigoui yumochaneun jeohui teukheoui haeksimin 'han son jeobi gujo'reul geudaero sseugo itseumnida. I gujoneun meonjeo sonjabi araee...

   The defendant's stroller uses the core of our patent, the one-hand folding mechanism, exactly as it is. The mechanism works like this: first, under the handle...

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   A 또 길어지네요. 신입들은 긴장하면 묻지도 않은 설명을 늘어놓기 일쑤예요.

   Tto gireojineyo. Sinipdeureun ginjanghamyeon mutjido aneun seolmyeongeul neureonoki ilssuyeyo.

   It's getting long again. New lawyers who get nervous tend to launch into explanations nobody asked for.

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   B 죄송합니다. 다시 하겠습니다.

   Joesonghamnida. Dasi hagetseumnida.

   I'm sorry. I'll try again.

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   A 다음 질문. 피고는 그 구조가 2015년 일본 제품에 이미 있었다고 하는데요?

   Daeum jilmun. Pigoneun geu gujoga 2015nyeon Ilbon jepume imi isseotdago haneundeyo?

   Next question. The defendant says the mechanism already existed in a Japanese product from 2015. Well?

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   B 그 제품은 저희 것과 여러모로 다릅니다. 재질도 다르고, 무게도 다르고, 바퀴 크기도...

   Geu jepumeun jeohui geotgwa yeoreomoro dareumnida. Jaejildo dareugo, mugedo dareugo, bakwi keugido...

   That product differs from ours in many ways. The material is different, the weight is different, the wheel size...

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   A 그만. 재질이니 무게니 하는 차이점일랑 특허랑 상관없어요. 판사가 궁금한 건 접는 방식 하나예요.

   Geuman. Jaejirini mugeni haneun chaijeomillang teukheorang sanggwaneopseoyo. Pansaga gunggeumhan geon jeomneun bangsik hanayeyo.

   Stop. Differences like material and weight have nothing to do with the patent. The only thing the judge wants to know about is the folding.

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    B 일본 제품은 두 손을 써야 접힙니다. 저희 특허의 핵심은 아이를 안은 채 한 손으로 접을 수 있다는 점입니다.

    Ilbon jepumeun du soneul sseoya jeopimnida. Jeohui teukheoui haeksimeun aireul aneun chae han soneuro jeobeul su itdaneun jeomimnida.

    The Japanese product needs two hands to fold. The point of our patent is folding it with one hand while you're holding your child.

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    A 한 손이나 두 손이나, 그게 그렇게 대단한 차이입니까? 손 하나 덜 쓴다고 특허를 준다면 세상에 특허 아닌 게 없겠네요.

    Han sonina du sonina, geuge geureoke daedanhan chaiimnikka? Son hana deol sseundago teukheoreul jundamyeon sesange teukheo anin ge eopgenneyo.

    One hand or two, is that really such a big difference? If using one hand fewer earned you a patent, there'd be nothing in the world that wasn't patentable.

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    B 저희 연구원들이 삼 년 동안 밤을 새워 가며 만든 기술입니다. 그걸 베껴 놓고 이제 와서 옛날 기술이라니, 너무 부당합니다.

    Jeohui yeonguwondeuri sam nyeon dongan bameul saewo gamyeo mandeun gisurimnida. Geugeol bekkyeo noko ije waseo yennal gisurirani, neomu budanghamnida.

    Our researchers spent three years working through the night on this technology. To copy it and now call it old technology is deeply unfair.

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    A 감정적인 표현일랑 법정 밖에 두고 와요. '베꼈다', '부당하다'는 증거가 아니에요. 할 말이 없어서 하소연하는 것처럼 들려요.

    Gamjeongjeogin pyohyeonillang beopjeong bakke dugo wayo. 'Bekkyeotda', 'budanghada'neun jeunggeoga anieyo. Hal mari eopseoseo hasoyeonhaneun geotcheoreom deullyeoyo.

    Leave emotional language outside the courtroom. 'Copied' and 'unfair' aren't evidence. They make it sound like you're complaining because you've got nothing else to say.

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    B ...네. 잠시 서류를 다시 보겠습니다.

    ...Ne. Jamsi seoryureul dasi bogetseumnida.

    ...Yes. Let me look through the documents again for a moment.

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    A 서류를 뒤적이는 것도 약점으로 보여요. 처음 법정에 서면 판사가 몰아붙일 때 말문이 막히기 일쑤예요. 흔들리지만 마세요.

    Seoryureul dwijeogineun geotdo yakjeomeuro boyeoyo. Cheoeum beopjeonge seomyeon pansaga morabuchil ttae malmuni makigi ilssuyeyo. Heundeullijiman maseyo.

    Leafing through papers looks like weakness too. The first time you're in court, you tend to freeze up when the judge presses you. Just don't waver.

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    B ...찾았습니다. 재판장님, 피고는 작년 봄 광고에서 자기 제품을 '세계 최초 한 손 접이 유모차'라고 소개했습니다.

    ...Chajatseumnida. Jaepanjangnim, pigoneun jangnyeon bom gwanggoeseo jagi jepumeul 'segye choecho han son jeobi yumocha'rago sogaehaetseumnida.

    ...Found it. Your Honour, in an advert last spring, the defendant presented its own product as 'the world's first one-hand folding stroller'.

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    A 광고는 광고일 뿐이죠. 과장 광고야 흔하고요. 그게 이 사건과 무슨 상관입니까?

    Gwanggoneun gwanggoil ppunijyo. Gwajang gwanggoya heunhagoyo. Geuge i sageongwa museun sanggwanimnikka?

    An advert is just an advert. Exaggerated advertising is common enough. What does that have to do with this case?

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    B 광고대로 세계 최초라면, 일본 제품에 이미 있었다는 지금 주장은 거짓입니다. 지금 주장이 맞다면, 허위 광고를 했다고 스스로 인정하는 셈이고요.

    Gwanggodaero segye choechoramyeon, Ilbon jepume imi isseotdaneun jigeum jujangeun geojisimnida. Jigeum jujangi matdamyeon, heowi gwanggoreul haetdago seuseuro injeonghaneun semigoyo.

    If it really was the world's first, as advertised, then its current claim that the mechanism already existed in a Japanese product is false. And if its current claim is true, it is effectively admitting to false advertising.

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    A 마케팅 부서의 단순한 실수였다고 하면요?

    Maketing buseoui dansunhan silsuyeotdago hamyeonyo?

    What if they say it was a simple mistake by the marketing department?

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    B 그럼 자기 광고 문구 하나 확인하지 않는 회사가 십 년도 더 된 일본 제품은 꼼꼼히 조사했다는 말이 됩니다. 어느 쪽이든 피고에게 불리합니다.

    Geureom jagi gwanggo mungu hana hwaginhaji anneun hoesaga sip nyeondo deo doen Ilbon jepumeun kkomkkomhi josahaetdaneun mari doemnida. Eoneu jjogideun pigoege bullihamnida.

    Then a company that doesn't check a single line of its own advertising is claiming it carefully researched a Japanese product over ten years old. Either way, it works against the defendant.

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    A ...판사로서 반박할 말이 없네요. 아니, 팀장으로서도요. 이 정도면 판결도 흔들 수 있겠어요. 그 논리는 어디서 찾았어요?

    ...Pansaroseo banbakal mari eomneyo. Ani, timjangeuroseodoyo. I jeongdomyeon pangyeoldo heundeul su itgesseoyo. Geu nollineun eodiseo chajasseoyo?

    ...As the judge, I have no comeback. Actually, not as your team leader either. That could even swing the ruling. Where did you find that argument?

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    B 어젯밤에 조카 선물로 유모차를 알아보다가 그 광고를 봤습니다. 방금 몰아붙이실 때 갑자기 떠올랐습니다.

    Eojetbame joka seonmullo yumochareul arabodaga geu gwanggoreul bwatseumnida. Banggeum morabuchisil ttae gapjagi tteoollatseumnida.

    I saw the advert last night while looking at strollers as a present for my niece. When you pressed me just now, it suddenly came back to me.

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    A 내일 변론은 그걸로 시작해요. 증인 신문일랑 아침에 다시 맞춰 보고, 오늘은 그 두 문장만 백 번 연습하고 퇴근해요.

    Naeil byeolloneun geugeollo sijakaeyo. Jeungin sinmunillang achime dasi matchwo bogo, oneureun geu du munjangman baek beon yeonseupago toegeunhaeyo.

    Open with that tomorrow. We'll go over the witness examination again in the morning; tonight, just practise those two sentences a hundred times and go home.

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